[Mechanic] Neutral Barrier

Originally posted by [b]Ind[/b]
Fixed in [rev=15753]

Originally posted by [b]Poseid0n[/b]
A problem persists :

Neutral Barrier doesn't immune versus ranged physical attacks.(It must be like a pneuma).

Poseidon

Originally posted by [b]myrmiddon[/b]
as what pseid0n said, yes it should block long range attack to and kRO fixed that. here from warpportal http://forums.warpportal.com/index.php?/topic/67997-neutral-barrier/

Originally posted by [b]Rytech[/b]
iRO documents also shows players that stand in the AoE have their DEF/MDEF increased by the following formula....

MDEF/DEF increase in %: 10 + 5 * Skill Level

Originally posted by [b]Poseid0n[/b]
Yes but it seems wrong. When you found video on the web, you can see that long range attack miss the user. If the skill increased the def and mdef, attacks wouldn't miss.

furthermore the IroWiki description says :
[quote]Generates a 3x3 area around the caster that blocks all ranged physical and magical damage. Area will stay centered on the caster even if the player moves.
Applies to the caster and all players/allies/enemies inside the area of effect.[/quote]

Poseidon

Originally posted by [b]Rytech[/b]
The iRO wiki appears to be out of date on things. The Neutral Barrier page was last updated on 14 December 2010 which is before the 2011 balance updates. According to the official 2011 balance documents from iRO...

[quote]
Neutral Barrier
Skill re-use Delay: (25 - 5 * Skill Level) seconds
Duration: (15 + 15 * Skill Level) seconds
AoE: 5x5
MDEF/DEF increase: (10 + 5 * Skill Level) %
Blocks ranged attacks
[/quote]

The skill re-use delay sounds a bit strange since the duration is much longer then the delay according to the info. That needs a confirm. Might be a catch somewhere and it drains caster's SP during use. I also found this in the wiki....

[quote]Blocks damage from Earthquake. Does not block damage from Evil Land.[/quote]

This is shocking info for me. If its true that its blocking a splash AoE skill like Earthquake, but not ground AoE's like Evil Land, then does this mean Neutral Barrier blocks splash AoE's? Many people complain about how many 3rd job skills are splash and not protected by Land Protector, but if this info is true then omg this is awesome. Wish I could test and confirm this one.

Originally posted by [b]Poseid0n[/b]
It's the problème with the AoE splash damage, ther are considered like ranged attack. (but not magic attack, it's normal that land protector doesn't work). These attack can be avoid with just a pneuma ...

So, if we take neutral barrier with 3x3 area of effect, it's just like a pneuma which follow the caster.

I think the version from IroWiki is more logical, because with a skill re-use time of 2 minuts, it's impossible to have always the protection. (and it's like the other skills, magnetic field, and Stealth field which are a long re-use delay too).

moreover, when you see videos from the skill on the net, it does not seem to have a scope of 5 x 5, but 3 x 3.

I personally think your version is more awesome than mine.

Poseidon

Originally posted by [b]Rytech[/b]
[quote name='Poseid0n' timestamp='1333108727' post='8109']
I think the version from IroWiki is more logical, because with a skill re-use time of 2 minuts, it's impossible to have always the protection. (and it's like the other skills, magnetic field, and Stealth field which are a long re-use delay too).
[/quote]

Correct. While most of the info in iRO's released documents are accurate, this doesn't come without human error's. We have to look at them and judge with our minds if it feels right.

[quote name='Poseid0n' timestamp='1333108727' post='8109']
moreover, when you see videos from the skill on the net, it does not seem to have a scope of 5 x 5, but 3 x 3.
[/quote]

This is true, but those video's were most likely made around 2009 or 2010 before kRO's 2011 balance updates. Neutral Barrier being changed to a 5x5 was part of the update. Stealth Field was also changed to a 5x5.

8/31/2011 Patch Info
http://www.eathena.ws/board/index.php?showtopic=278720&hl=neutral+berrier

Also notice in the info for the update....

[quote]
Neutral Barrier
Skill variable cast time is removed.
[b]Skill reuse delay is now 90 seconds.[/b]
Skill area of effect is changed from 3x3 cells to 5x5 cells.
[/quote]

Just as we thought. The skill cool down time was incorrect in the document, but is correct in the patch notes.

Originally posted by [b]Poseid0n[/b]
Ok thanks ! Said like that, it seems more logical. And sorry, I was not aware of the update.

Poseidon

Originally posted by [b]Poseid0n[/b]
UP,

Can someone correct (It don't block ranged attack) and update this skill (cast / after cast / area of effect).

Thanks

Originally posted by [b]Poseid0n[/b]
UP

Originally posted by [b]Igniz[/b]
Hi. This is a temporal fix for the AoE untill a dev work on this (i did this from scratch, so it could'nt work, even so, try it)

Find in skill_db.txt
[CODE]
2273,0,6,4,0,0x1,0,3,1,yes,0,0,0,none,0, NC_NEUTRALBARRIER,Neutral Barrier
[/CODE]
Reemplaze:
[CODE]
2273,0,6,4,0,0x1,5,3,1,yes,0,0,0,none,0, NC_NEUTRALBARRIER,Neutral Barrier
[/CODE]

I saw the code and it should block properly range attacks, update your source and test.

Originally posted by [b]Rytech[/b]
Why did you give it a 11x11 splash AoE?

Originally posted by [b]Poseid0n[/b]
It's not just a problem of area of damage, there is the problem of immune to long range attack, too.

Originally posted by [b]Ind[/b]
changed to started since rytech seems to be over this issue

Originally posted by [b]PiroKun[/b]
neutral barriers details from warpportal : [url="http://forums.warpportal.com/index.php?/topic/67997-neutral-barrier/"]http://forums.warpportal.com/index.php?/topic/67997-neutral-barrier/[/url]

Originally posted by [b]Yommy[/b]
[CODE]
SetSkill NC_NEUTRALBARRIER //뉴트럴 배리어(SKID_NC_NEUTRALBARRIER)
OnInit:
SkillMaxLv 3
SkillType TOME
SkillSP 90 90 90 // SP Consumption
SkillCastFixedDelay 0 0 0 // 스킬 캐스팅 고정 delay값
SkillCastStatDelay 500 1000 1500 // 스킬 캐스팅 스텟에 영향받는 delay값
SkillSinglePostDelay 120000 120000 120000 // 스킬사용후 해당스킬을 재사용하는데 필요한 시간
SkillGlobalPostDelay 0 0 0 // 스킬사용후 전체스킬사용금지시간
SkillData1 15 20 25 // Def and Mdef increase
SkillData2 30000 45000 60000 // Duration
return
[/CODE]

Originally posted by [b]michieru[/b]
Bump =)

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