Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
Neutral damage
Bypasses def and flee
Always neutral (raydric reduces) (weapon element does not affect the damage)
Reductions (race, element, size) reduce the damage
Freezing makes the target water 1 (element has no effect), reduces the target's def (bypasses def), increases mdef (mdef does not affect the damage). So your players are right.. it deals the same damage