[Rolling Cutter + Cross Ripper Slasher] = High Damage

Originally posted by [b]GM Takumirai[/b]
hope ind or malufet can fix this as soon as possible it causing super imba damage in the server, i don't know if this is realy the damage but it cause 1 hit on pvp

Originally posted by [b]Mysterious[/b]
Well, what's the damage formula supposed to be according to iRO? Also, if it's OP in your server (maybe cause of customs as well) I suggest you lower the damage output.

Originally posted by [b]GM Takumirai[/b]
please test it ~ EDP + Rolling Cutter for 10x then use the cross ripper slasher..
- im running mid-rate
- official max level, official max stats, and skills, no custom items,

Originally posted by [b]GM Takumirai[/b]
Can be activated by consuming spinnings counts from [url="http://irowiki.org/wiki/Rolling_Cutter"]Rolling Cutter[/url]. Guillotine Cross throws a knife at a target in range while spinning, causing significant amount of damage. Damage is increased by the number of counters. Level 1 2 3 4 5 Attack Power 480% 560% 640% 720% 800% Cells Range 9 10 11 12 13 SP Cost 20 24 28 32 36
[b] Information [/b]
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[*]You'll loose the counter (so impossible to cast) if you move after the Rolling Cutter.
[*]You have about a 3 seconds window to cast this skill; so it's used best during the spinning process so you can spam it up to 3 times in case the first or second doesn't hit.
[*]You don't need to actually hit a target to increased [url="http://irowiki.org/wiki/Rolling_Cutter"]Rolling Cutter[/url]'s count. So you can charge up and fire from a distance.
[*]Equipped arrow can affect the target (works with mute arrow by very low percentage).
[*]Works with your regular Hit's stat like a normal physical attack.
[*]After using Cross Ripper Slasher your counters are reset to 0.
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but according to this site

http://forums.irowiki.org/showpost.php?p=1065069&postcount=161

so what is the real damage??.. please someone confirm this

Originally posted by [b]MarkZD[/b]
It's because of EDP effect that has to be fixed:
http://rathena.org/board/tracker/issue-6066-edp-should-no-longer-increase-final-damage/

Originally posted by [b]Rytech[/b]
Lets clear this up because ive been seeing this same issue repeatedly reported. Here's the official formula's on the 2 skills....

[b]Rolling Cutter[/b]
Damage: ATK (50 + 50 x Skill Level) x Caster's Base Level / 100 %
Global Skill Delay: 0.2 second
5x5 AoE at level 5
Max Counter: 10

[b]Cross Ripper Slasher[/b]
Total Damage = A + B
A = ATK (400 + 80 x Skill Level) x Caster's Base Level / 100 %
Rolling Cutter Counter damage bonus
B = ATK (Rolling Cutter Counter x Caster's AGI) %
Global Skill Delay: 1 second
Cast Range: (8 + 1 * Skill Level) cell

Those are 100% official. As for how EDP affects things....

[b]EDP will halve the skill modifiers of the following skills:[/b]
Soul Destroyer, Counter Slash, Cross Impact, Sonic Blow

[b]EDP has no effect (damage/atk not increased) on the following skills:[/b]
Sand Attack, Stone Fling, Meteor Assault, Venom Splasher, Venom Knife, Grimtooth [color="Sienna"](Damage of Grimtooth is slightly increased by EDP; could not figure out why)[/color]

[b]EDP will fully increase the damage of the following skills (no damage reduction):[/b]
Envenom, Dark Illusion, Phantom Menace, Venom Pressure, [u][b]Rolling Cutter, Cross Ripper Slasher,[/b][/u] Weapon Crush

More info on this from Frost....
http://forums.irowiki.org/showpost.php?p=1189525&postcount=1

Originally posted by [b]MarkZD[/b]
Rytech, the problem here is that EDP shouldn't increase final damage nor multiply final damage, but it's doing in current source.

Also, how will "[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Sand Attack, Stone Fling, Meteor Assault, Venom Splasher, Venom Knife, Grimtooth" not be affected by EDP if EDP currently increases bATK and wATK, so you're saying when these skills are used bATK and wATK should be used without EDP multiplier?[/size][/font][/color]

Originally posted by [b]Mysterious[/b]
I know EDP increased Grimtooth because I've tried it. For MA and the rest, it doesn't.

Originally posted by [b]Rytech[/b]
So its supposed to increase Base ATK and Weapon Attack, but not increase the damage after ratio increases from skills? If true, then was EDP bugged since pre-renewal on eAthena in the past? Im trying to understand this since im not all too familiar with renewal changes.

Originally posted by [b]MarkZD[/b]
i'm trying too, but I think you better go till my report where we have more info and discuss with us:
http://rathena.org/board/tracker/issue-6066-edp-should-no-longer-increase-final-damage/

Originally posted by [b]GM Takumirai[/b]
even if you use only 1 rolling cutter then use the ripper slasher it still same damage